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Mercedes W201 190E 16V EVO • Thema anzeigen - Umbaufrage !
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Umbaufrage !

BeitragVerfasst: 2. Apr 2007, 17:44
von 16vpower

BeitragVerfasst: 2. Apr 2007, 17:48
von Racer

BeitragVerfasst: 2. Apr 2007, 18:21
von 16vau

BeitragVerfasst: 2. Apr 2007, 20:07
von Racer
Naja, er kann es ja noch mal genauer bezeichnen....bis dahin:

:popcorn

BeitragVerfasst: 2. Apr 2007, 21:10
von shaxm32
wenn sich die frage auf den turbo umbau bezieht habe ich mich das auch schon gefragt und mir fielen nur 2gründe ein tassenstößel und billigere tausch motoren (also sprich bei ebay oder so)

mfg

BeitragVerfasst: 3. Apr 2007, 16:14
von 16vpower

BeitragVerfasst: 4. Apr 2007, 18:48
von 16vpower

BeitragVerfasst: 4. Apr 2007, 20:18
von Bertin2002

BeitragVerfasst: 4. Apr 2007, 20:45
von evojonny

BeitragVerfasst: 4. Apr 2007, 20:53
von 16vau

BeitragVerfasst: 5. Apr 2007, 00:32
von Maki
Ganz einfach die 2.3er haben im Gegensatz zu den 2.5ern geschmiedete Komponenten wie z.B. Kolben ;-)

BeitragVerfasst: 5. Apr 2007, 08:59
von mbv8
@Maki

?????

Jesper verbaut doch gar keine MB Kolben,

dann wär´s doch egal, oder nicht?

Gruß TT

BeitragVerfasst: 5. Apr 2007, 09:16
von Maki
:kratz weiss jetzt nicht was du damit sagen willst mbv8
Egal ich erkläre es nochmals falls ich mich nicht richtig ausgedrückt habe!
Der 2.3er Motor wie z.B. bei meinem Umbau hat ja vom Werk aus geschmiedete Teile drin Sprich für den Turboumbau perfekt.
Man muss nix tauschen ( bis zu einer gewissen Leistung natürlich ;-) )
Die 2.5er haben ja "nur" noch diese Hyperdingsbums Teile drin sprich man müsste / sollte die Teile wechseln -> mehr Aufwand, unnötige Kosten !!!!
Also simpel gesagt die 2.3er Motoren halten "Serienmässig" einiges mehr aus als die 2.5er !
Leistungsmässig bringt der 2.5er kaum nennenswerte Vorteile!
In der Turbowelt erhöht man halt den Ladedruck um 0,1bar und Vòila ist der Unterschied wieder ausgemertzt ;-)
Bye
Maki

BeitragVerfasst: 5. Apr 2007, 09:49
von mbv8

BeitragVerfasst: 5. Apr 2007, 10:14
von Maki

BeitragVerfasst: 5. Apr 2007, 10:50
von mbv8

BeitragVerfasst: 5. Apr 2007, 12:32
von Nagilum

BeitragVerfasst: 6. Apr 2007, 11:43
von 16vpower
ich verstehe jetzt nur das es über die kosten geht warum man den 2.3 16v

BeitragVerfasst: 6. Apr 2007, 13:39
von Nagilum
Wenn du das Ganze von oben bis unten durchliesst, wirst du feststellen, dass es mehrere Gründe gibt:

Kosten, Aufwand, und die Grenzen der Physik: du kannst Kolben nicht beliebig schnell in einem Motor arbeiten lassen, irgendwann kommen Öl und Material an ihre Grenzen. Der 2.3er ist der kurzhubigste 16V der gebaut wurde, kürzer als der Evo und 7mm also ca. 9% kürzer als der Langhuber.

Faktor 1 wird wiederum uninteressanter wenn man, siehe Maki, gewisse Leistungsgrenzen überschreiten möchte, da dann auch beim 2.3er einiges ersetzt werden muss.
(Ich glaube Jesper hat u.a. mal was von Titankolben für 500,- Euro/stk geschrieben?)

Gruß
- Nagi

BeitragVerfasst: 6. Apr 2007, 18:36
von Maki
Nagi - du bringst einiges durcheinander !
Vergiss das mit dem Titan mal ganz schnell - bis man soweit ist das sowas verbaut wird....ist der Wagen auch nicht mehr für die Strasse gedacht ;-)
Desweiteren hat das mit dem kürzeren Hub des 2.3ers nichts zu tun !( zumindest nicht für die "normalen" Umbauten )
Die 7500 U/min sind für den 2.3er sowie für den 2.5er kein Problem !
Bye
Maki